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Post by Rob W on Oct 16, 2016 8:47:38 GMT
Dear all
Sorry for the appalling delay in getting this up. I hope, if you've been waiting, that you wrote your reviews down somewhere and are ready to cut and paste it into this forum!!
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Post by eddiecustard on Oct 16, 2016 16:06:35 GMT
Some really good songs here - all five are deserving of a vote in their different ways. It’s very difficult to choose two.
Stephen Clarke - Louisiana Song
Stephen has struck gold, or perhaps that should be oil, in this hugely enjoyable tale of a determined woman who rises up from humble beginnings and becomes empowered. There’s so much good stuff - a fine bluesy riff in the gaps between the verses, spot-on harmonies and a story that conjures up the sweat and grime of blue collar southern US in the best tradition of country and western/swamp blues. Stephen has an eye for the minor details and he’s at his best when he’s writing about characters struggling to make their way. He makes us care about Patty and Gordon and wonder how their story will end. Stephen captures the triumphalism accompanying Patty’s journey of self-improvement and her rejection of bad boy Gordon. Stephen always focuses on positivity and humanity in his stories, and Patty’s impressive work ethic and popularity with the locals creates the warmth here, even though she seems to have lived a life largely devoid of romance.
There’s a very good chorus and it all skips along excellently. If I had to choose his top three contributions in the lifetime of the songwriters’ group this would be one of them. Well done.
Mike Gosling - Cold War Baby
Epic sounding guitars and a pulsating bass create a driving force, and the chorus melody is outstanding on ‘I was a cold war baby to a teenage mum…’ I wanted to hear this line more but I’m guessing you wanted to fit in all the words and stick to Rob’s suggestion of varying the choruses. It’s another good lyric that nicely describes an identity crisis, and I like the line contrasting the cul-de-sac and the ‘wife who never looked back.’ Expertly produced as ever, and characteristic of Mike in that it has good energy and melodicism.
Tim and Glynn - Girl on a Train
I think T and G have been on a very good run lately, and this is another peak. Very impressive opening with the strummed guitar and a few lonely notes on the piano. Terrific melancholy chorus, atmospheric and superbly sung by Glynn. The bit in the verse about spending her days ‘on the circle line’ is a good way of describing how her life is directionless and the ‘ten years..’ section is strong. Is the song a reference to the similarly titled book, which has some of the same themes of loneliness and depression? Despite your editing I think it remains a bit long, but I’m probably splitting hairs. You’ve done well to vary the choruses, highlighted by the jagged guitar that bursts into the song round 3.30. I like the violin at the three-minute mark, which gives it a touch of extra quality. I worked out that the main character was on the way to recovery by the end, perhaps through falling in love and getting off drugs (?), but my dodgy hearing means I couldn’t piece everything together. At the risk of sounding like a stuck record, this is one of your best.
Tim and Julie - We Live on the Dog
Great concept here. I like your style; a lyric that tries to get into the mind of a flea. I think you should go with your allegory idea about the importance of compound maths. We need more of this kind of stuff. There are some inventive lyrics about nurturing larvae, and a consideration of the hazards arising if the host scratches itself. The zaniness hits a beautiful peak when the flea describes how ‘maths is beyond me’ and that ‘compound percentages were taught when my back was turned.’
I’m a little surprised Tim and Julie didn’t keep this for dog month, but they seem to have an endless supply of animal songs so I suppose it won’t be much of a stretch to knock out another canine-themed tune next time.
Musically, it’s short and sharp, with no baggy bits. I like the leftfield chord sequence in the verse, the deep voice in the background on the chorus, and the nicely off-kilter chord at the very end. There’s a clever finale where the fleas shoot themselves in the foot – if that makes any sense as a metaphor – seemingly leading to the death of the dog. Perhaps not the best musically this month, but one of the best lyrics, and certainly the most ingenious story.
Phi Sanderson - Lost the Plot
I seem to remember Phil toying with us in this way before; writing a song referencing how he has avoided sticking within the parameters of the monthly task.
I don’t know how he’s pulled this off - it’s really quite brilliant. I can only pick up fragments of what’s happening – it’s a story of a love gone sour, I think, and there is some effective imagery about ‘marks on the ceiling’ and a ‘ghostly voice straining low’. It sounds catchy and yet at the same time unknowable. There’s a great opening with the acoustic guitar interplay and what sounds like a mandolin hovering in the middle distance. Brilliantly done, Phil.
The choir section is a major success. I remember a time when you were anxious about the quality of your singing. Those days are long gone judging by the high quality of the vocals here. There are many other memorable moments.
This is a lovely ethereal work, superbly crafted.
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Post by timwarner on Oct 17, 2016 22:31:10 GMT
It’s fair to say, I’m not much of a one for listening to lyrics which, given the effort put into writing them, is almost unjustifiable. Knowing these songs are written with a specific beginning, middle, end, I’m really summoning up my powers of concentration to listen to them all. Oddly, some songs have lyrics that I can’t help absorbing, while others song’s lyrics, unless I really concentrate, just pass my by (much like when I’m watching the weather forecast).
Stephen Clarke - Louisiana Song Still the very identifiable, lo-fi skiffle feel that works really well, especially for the subject matter. I really like the gentle lift into the chorus which, as usual, is very catchy. I really like the break-down at 2:20, the harmony here is top drawer and, very pleased it got used twice. As expected the story is well thought through. I like the anti-romance idea.
Mike Gosling - Cold War Baby For such and outwardly cheerful bloke, you do turn out some bleak songs, albeit, wrapped in a foot stomping pop song. The stall gets set out early on this and bounds through to it’s conclusion in a festival-crowd-pleasing way. I’m not sure I like the octave vocals all the way through and, perhaps the single version should have been a bit tighter. I’m thinking of the difference between the single and album version of David Bowie’s Heroes.
Christian Duffin - When Trudy Lost Her Hair Well, Colin S predicted it and, I think, he’s going to be proved right. This just draws me in. Unusually, I find myself having to concentrate to listen to the music, rather than lyrics. The music just sets the mood (for me, it’s the same when I listen to Tom Waits). You paint a vivid picture of a woman starting to feel helpless and hopeless but, getting back some dignity by taking action to improve her situation. It touches on all sorts of other issues about people who are ill, too. It’s a great piece of work and oddly uplifting for a song about cancer. You’ve covered an awful lot in three and a half minutes and included a guitar solo with corners on. Lovely. It reminds me a bit of the sort of song Elvis Costello might write. It's very, very, good indeed.
Tim and Glyn - Girl On A Train the T&G train rolls on with this wistful, melancholy tune. The intro sounds like film music. Your songs, I find, are among the more difficult to grasp the lyrics. I don’t know why but, I’m guessing that the overall sound just doesn’t need any unpicking. When I do concentrate on the lyrics this story feels like a 3-part television series in song form. There’s some lovely playing and it’s all perfectly weighted and builds well.
Phil Sanderson - Lost The Plot Oooh! ‘Musical Box’ era Genesis opening. You weave a rich tapestry of sound in this one with the melody set proudly above it all. I kinda wish it had it had a little more light and shade, though (I think this says more about my attention span than anything else, I’d probably think Genesis were crap if I hadn’t listened to it 40 years ago). I really like the choral sounds about 2 minutes in: is that all you? The production is very good and it makes the whole thing very agreeable to listen to.
We Live On The Dog I forgot to thank Joe Warner for his bass playing. Some of this sounds a bit out of tune now. I was trying to avoid using any straight major or minor chords.
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Post by stephen on Oct 26, 2016 15:28:17 GMT
Mike G Cold War Baby It starts with a great kick, and stays economically powerful throughout, like a U2 anthem. Excellent harmonies, too, the voices very nicely balanced. I like the Brian May-like sustained trebly guitar that comes in at about 1:20, and the rougher sound after the song breaks down. That's a really good line "I was a Cold war baby to a teenage mum", perfect for such a bleak story. Very classy production all round.
Christian D When Trudie Lost her Hair The strongest story of the month, with a real contrast between the beginning and the end. Really clever the way you've mixed such a melodic tune with hard-hitting lyrics - "aftermath- bath", "wondered if her lashes were gone for good", "they lowered her eyes when she went by" - brutally honest stuff. Great chords, as usual, and the guitar solo really soars over them. Daring, too, to change the chorus from "lost her hair", to "got new hair" - the second one comes as a real surprise, and emphasises the fact that this is a beginning, middle, end story. Unexpectedly feelgood by the end, a hard trick to pull off.
Tim & Glyn Girl on a Train Great wistful song that starts moodily and builds very nicely from the verse to the chorus - I especially like the bluesy note on "train", and the way the feel changes from one verse to the next. The solo voice carries the story strongly throughout, and that guitar in the background is especially effective, both the strumming and those individual notes that punctuate the melody. Excellent song. Btw very brave to nick the title of a blockbuster. I look forward to your 50 Shades of Harry Potter.
Phil S Lost the Plot Back to your style before you went electro, sort of proggy folk, and the "so begins this story" line suits this medium perfectly. I'm not sure what the story was, but it doesn't matter, because the melody is really effective, the harmonies are spot-on, and the massed guitars work very well - it's a mood rather than a story but who cares. Musically it has a beginning a middle and an end, and depth too. In the old days your album would have had a folky A-side and an electro B-side.
Tim & Julie We Live on the Dog I didn't know fleas could be so bluesy. Great guitar sound, as usual, with those jazzy chords and blues riffs filling all the spaces while the rhythm section pounds meatily underneath. An amusing feel to the story that ends neatly with them discovering they're killing their host, especially with the head flea having that booming, over-confident, god-like voice. Excellent hook - "we live on the dog", very memorable.
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Post by tandg on Oct 26, 2016 21:09:18 GMT
Stephen Clarke – Louisiana Song
This is great work Stephen. It mixes a laid back, JJ Cale blues with really well-crafted lyrics, and nicely played guitars and good harmonies. But what really makes the song though are the ‘go Patty go’ sections and the great stop after Patty’s final response to Gordon. The instruments build nicely towards the end and all in all, this is a really well structured piece that is very satisfying to listen to. Great stuff.
Mike Gosling – Cold War Baby
Even though Mike warned us in his notes to expect doom and gloom, I’m not sure I was prepared for the bleakness of the lyrics to this one. The music has a sort of U2 rockiness about it, with something of Bruce Springsteen about the beat, if not the vocal delivery. I thought the octave-apart vocals limited the vocal range of the song – perhaps a middle 8 would have allowed a sort of counterpoint - put then again, by the end the repetitive nature of the piece is actually quite mesmerising and I really wanted to listen again straight away. I really liked the high (sustained guitar?) part that flows in and out and I wonder if having found the groove for the song, this was actually edited down to stay under 5 minutes. Perhaps there was a happy ending about to appear over the horizon?
Christian Duffin – When Trudie Lost her Hair
On first listen, I wasn’t quite sure what to make of this. The subject and the narrative flow is sensitively handled and beautifully worded (as we would all expect of you) but the guitar with its chorus sound works well enough but I’m not sure it meets your brief of making it a rock song. The slightly odd ‘shuffle’ of the chord playing in the chorus also takes some getting used to. Then I listened again without worrying about your sleeve notes and liked it more each time. The lyrics and drums come together particularly well on the ‘she felt like a victim’ line that leads into the great harmonies on the chorus and the ‘story’ element of the brief is beautifully realised.
Phil Sanderson – Lost the Plot
I’m glad Phil prepared us for the loss of the plot – we thought it was about the break-up of a relationship but otherwise the ‘story’ element of the song remains mysterious. Glyn speculated that it could be your take on Wuthering Heights. Musically, this is sublime. Beautiful playing of the acoustic guitars (which are really nicely recorded) and rich vocal sound with excellent harmonies. The line ‘someone’s crying / someone’s sighing’ is an obvious highlight until the choral sections burst through. Fantastic harmonies and great selection of notes – especially the sliding note at the end. I just wanted to hear this part again and again. Atmospheric, evocative, delicious!
Tim and Julie – We Live on the Dog
This is easily the catchiest song of the month. It’s slightly embarrassing to find yourself singing “we live on the dog” under your breath in the supermarket! As we’ve come to expect, it’s a new angle on life delivered with real aplomb – great harmonies / multi voice parts for the chorus and laid back delivery in the verses. There’s some great guitar playing and we both liked the overall sound and feel of the recording; excellent stuff...
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Post by philsanderson on Oct 26, 2016 23:29:34 GMT
Stephen ‘Go Stephen Go!’ I usually get an immediate strong visual image when I listen to you songs and this is up there with the clearest ones yet. I can sort of imagine you strumming away in the corner of that roadside diner in a classic video as Patty goes about her business. This is a really great song, Stephen. The backing vocals are spot on throughout and the easy/ smooth groove you achieved has stuck in my head as I drive around the desolate wasteland that calls itself Essex. Time to spread my wings on my own roadtrip…maybe cross the border into Suffolk…..
Mike As others may have commented there is a sort of U2 feeling about this, but still very definitely Mike. Your guitars are brilliantly under control and seem to express emotions to match the rather dark lyrics. The chord progressions I like and the break and section after work well. I suppose a guitar solo would maybe have over-extended the song for some, but I’d like to have heard more of one as that’s something I always look forward to from your entries!
Christian Lyrically and concept wise out of the top drawer. The drum pattern seem a little unexpected at times – that’s a big plus point in ‘Sanderson’s left of centre’ world. You’ve managed to pack in so much into this one. There are the usual chord change flourishes as well as the backing vocal bits and a guitar solo… and you’ve covered potentially a difficult issue with style and compassion.
T and G Great opening, and love the way the song seems to open up. Hugely like the guitar sounds and playing throughout this song. The change in instruments and chosen notes is superbly judged, aided by the sound of the new keyboard, although the stars of this piece for me are the guitars and the lovely vocals. There seems to be less reverb/echo on vocal than usual, but allows the fantastic voice and lyrics to be appreciated all the more.
Tim and Julie Favourite bits are where there are high and low vocals going on. Guitar and bass provide a great catchy riff which sticks with me as I put leads on my own two hounds and remember that they along with the cats need their flea treatment asap. I’m wondering at what point in the month you decided to write lyrics about fleas??? The lyrics are inspired and memorably delivered. Will next month’s song be the dog’s version of this ( before it dies, of course)
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Post by mikegosling on Oct 29, 2016 20:04:16 GMT
My apologies for not getting the reviews done (again). I have voted though. I enjoyed all the songs and it was hard to whittle it down to two.
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Post by timwarner on Oct 30, 2016 22:36:26 GMT
Congratulations Tim & Glyn and the artist formerly known as Eddie Custard. Can't argue with the voting there!
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Post by Karl on Oct 31, 2016 9:53:02 GMT
Well done Christian, Tim & Glyn - worthy joint winners. Sorry I didn't comment or vote this month. I have actually had more time on my hands than usual (I'm at home recovering from an op), so no excuse. I will try harder next month!
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Post by mikegosling on Nov 1, 2016 11:55:59 GMT
Well done Tim/Glyn and Christian - I enjoyed both your songs.
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Post by stephen on Nov 1, 2016 12:44:43 GMT
Well done G&T and the artist formerly known as Custard.
Btw I'd have preferred three votes. No one should get no votes - you write a song, take hours to record it and then get zero votes, it's worse then being Turkmenistan at Eurovision.
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Post by eddiecustard on Nov 1, 2016 19:33:28 GMT
Thanks for the kind comments. Well done to T&G for a fine song. I agree with Stephen about the voting. As a rule of thumb I think the number of votes should be about half the number of entries.
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Post by tandg on Nov 2, 2016 23:12:24 GMT
Well done Christian and thanks to all for the kind comments. Sorry but October's song remains unfinished after a particularly hectic October and early November. No excuses for Christmas song I hope....
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Post by Rob W on Nov 3, 2016 10:02:40 GMT
I failed on every count this month (and last!!) So sincere apologies.
Re Voting. I take the view that it should be a vote for every three songs (based on the fact that if you had two votes for three songs, that would be as bad or worse than being one of two who didn't get votes. Getting no votes (or not being popular) is part of the game of life, surely? And anyway, voting is in secret and you don't know the results until the closing date and I think we'd all like to think we're getting votes for our songs rather than because a song is so bad that we're being voted for out of sympathy.
So far, we have 5 songs for November and I think I'll stick to a vote for every 3 songs (or part thereof. In other words, 2 votes this month.)
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Post by timwarner on Nov 3, 2016 14:15:12 GMT
Worryingly, I agree with you, Rob. Too many votes and it seems like we're deciding what we don't like, rather than what we do.
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